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blast off on another epic episode of

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hero paranormal podcast the hyper

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anomalous esoteric research organization

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is bringing it today broadcasting from

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the base at la madre mountain just south

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of area 51. my name is ryan the original

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outlaw of the airwaves bringing you an

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unbelievably

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amazing episode today

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today we have none other than richard d

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lewis

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author journalist explorer

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richard is an author a journalist and a

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veteran of the u.s air force where he

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began his career in broadcasting creator

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of the award-winning pentagon channel tv

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news magazine air force space today he

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has won

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multiple telly and thomas jefferson

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awards

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you'll discover a lot

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by what mr lewis has to share he is a

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graduate of the defense information

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school's writing broadcast and public

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affairs program

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he has published bylines and or tv clips

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in black belt magazine

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film link fangoria rocket magazine geek

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and it just goes on and on

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the pentagon channel millsight magazine

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santa maria times and the lamp record

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richard is also a published songwriter

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on asuka's nine tongues lp writing

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lyrics of the acclaimed single the dream

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and he wrote screenplay treatments for

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jeff nichols of black sabbath pitched to

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the horror channel in england richard is

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also creator of the award-winning

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pentagon tv channel news magazine air

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force base today

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and author of the paranormal christian

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two books in fact

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this is going to be an absolutely epic

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epic

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episode the

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paranormal christian delves into a lot

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of deep deep paranormal

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mysteries

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i have so many questions

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i've wanted to talk to richard for quite

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some time his paranormal christian

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series book one the calling

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is an absolutely amazing book which asks

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can a christian be possessed do angels

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and demons dwell among us and are they

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engaged in spiritual warfare

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book two the quickening

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is also in the paranormal christian

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series and it goes into faith in god and

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belief in the supernatural and that they

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go hand in hand it's time to bring the

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paranormal back into the light

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with author richard d lewis welcome to

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the hero paranormal podcast hi ryan

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thanks for having me

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it's it's a pleasure and an honor i'm so

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excited to talk to you you have all the

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credentials necessary and more

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importantly the belief and faith system

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necessary to go into some areas that a

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lot of people just aren't willing to go

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um you're a veteran uh an author a

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journalist let's let's start there and

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kind of give our listeners um an idea

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where you came from

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and how this set the foundation

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sure thing ryan well i gotta say that i

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didn't start out

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looking for the paranormal it's more

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like the paranormal

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came looking for me

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and um by the way i used the word

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paranormal but

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and we you know we love it i've always

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been interested in the paranormal it's

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always all these things the mysteries of

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the unknown but it also ties into my

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faith life uh being a christian and a

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lot of people in the church are a little

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bit nervous about this topic but really

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the word paranormal simply means

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supernatural and if you're a christian

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supernatural testament

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i guess it's kind of a dual-hatted

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interest i had the the paranormal side

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but then the thing i started to notice

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there's nothing

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uh contrary to the faith about being

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interested in the paranormal because the

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faith is paranormal so

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but for me my first real paranormal

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experience was noticing a voice speaking

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to me and uh you know not

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it's voices

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to make people you know because you know

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that a person can have voices telling

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them things but no this is more like a

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soft you know reassuring

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you know as from childhood even before i

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had a formal understanding of religion

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or faith there was this presence there

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this this this knowing and

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it actually saved my life i go into this

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in my first book the paranormal

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christian book one

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and i talk about the voice and it i was

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abducted as a child um not by aliens by

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the way i know paranormal

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folks might think when you say abduction

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you mean aliens but this was by you know

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by humans and i won't go into the full

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details of the story but basically

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it could have ended very badly for me i

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was just a young child

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and i was taken down the railroad tracks

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when i was walking to my my grandma's

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house

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after school one one afternoon and a

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teenage boy

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abducted me took me

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to this dilapidated shack along with an

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older man who was there and the two of

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them had me there in the shack for a

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while they were about to tie me up

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and when they set me down and were about

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to wrap the ropes the rope around my my

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wrists

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they there was a voice that said run now

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it was as clear as day and i jumped up

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it was a split second between when their

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hands kind of released for a moment as

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they were trying to tie me

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and i burst out of that shack and into

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the sunlight

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up the hillside to the railroad tracks

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all the way down

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to pine street and then crossing east

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market street to where my my grandmother

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lived there in greensboro north carolina

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and into my uh my grandma's welcoming

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arms and both my grandma and my aunt

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were outside because i had been i was

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late and they were looking for me

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wondering where i was and

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you know so they i mean

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as i recall they called the police and

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the police found the shack but those

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those two uh two characters that

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abducted me were gone

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i'm sure they probably

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figured that something you know since i

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something might be coming and uh

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i don't know whatever happened with them

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but i know that that for me i'm so

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grateful because

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um as i understand god that was god that

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saved my life so that was my first kind

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of awakening really into there being

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something more than than what we see

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with our eyes in this physical

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richard that is that is a very very

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amazing story and

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a higher power or the silence center of

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all things has a still small voice

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and i think it's revelations 21 1-7 that

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that says and i heard a loud voice from

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the throne say and it goes on

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amazing thing with you richard is that

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you and i agree

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that and a lot of people are not willing

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to uh talk about this

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that faith in god and the belief in the

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supernatural go hand in hand and those

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are your words and

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a lot of nefarious malevolent

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all-powerful has

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you've had quite the exploration through

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life into the paranormal

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how uh

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how how did you get started along this

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i'm a lifelong long christian i had an

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experience and a knowingness of god

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before anybody really defined what it

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was for me and through through religion

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uh what the traditions say and what um

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you know our this describes and and the

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the faith leaders throughout the years

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have have figured out and written down

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for our knowledge uh but it all comes

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from an actual genuine

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disenfranchised was if

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you go outside the realm of of what's

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revealed with the what if questions you

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what about ghosts

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ghosts are are definitely a possibility

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looks at ghosts as they they believe

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that these are the spirits that are uh

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in purgatory that we're experiencing

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and uh and you know they're one of the

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the few faith groups that actually talks

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directly about it a lot of a lot of uh

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churches just don't want to get into it

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all demons and

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you know i think it's more nuanced and

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more subtle than that and so you can say

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there's no such thing as ghosts or which

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is what i always used to hear as a kid

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but then all your all your

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family get togethers and stories

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invariably turn to these

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to these experiences if you bring the

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topic up suddenly people start talking

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know we heard things

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we we felt things stuff like that and

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actually see something and experience it

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questions so i was one of those people

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that was asking questions and i noticed

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that a lot of fellow christians were

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asking questions and a lot of times the

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church was reticent to answer well i

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didn't want to believe that the church

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didn't have an answer for these

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questions so i began to study

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talked to folks i interviewed people and

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i looked at the example of uh that they

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tremendous weight of witness testimony

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then what i was able to uncover myself

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to see

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this is a true human experience and it

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crosses all cultures and uh all time and

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all religions and faiths so

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ghosts seem to be something that's going

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on but if you look at the bible

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the the bible isn't contrary to ghosts

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for example

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um

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jesus disciples

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when jesus walked on the water this is a

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this is a story that we get in the

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scriptures matthew 14 and 26 for example

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and in the fourth watch of the night he

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came to them walking on the sea but when

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the disciples saw him walking on the sea

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they were terrified and said

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it is a ghost and they cried out in fear

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but immediately jesus spoke to them

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saying take heart it is i do not be

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afraid

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now if there were no such thing as

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ghosts right then and there jesus could

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have debunked the whole thing and said

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hey guys

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come on you know there's no such thing

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as ghosts

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check it out it's me but no he said

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he said

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um

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you know he said it is i you don't have

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to be afraid but they said it was a

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ghost so that right there implies

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at least i mean it's implicit that they

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that they there must have been a belief

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in ghosts because that's what they

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thought he was

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and then later on in the scriptures we

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find out um

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at the resurrection which is by the way

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the most

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paranormal supernatural slash event in

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all of recorded history i'm not sure

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what else is

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you know i look at the shroud of turin

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and we could do a whole show just on

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that

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once again they thought he was a ghost

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um and the scriptures talk about this in

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luke

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chapter 24

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and

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while they were still talking about this

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jesus himself stood among them and they

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said and he said to them peace be with

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you

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but they were startled and frightened

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thinking they saw a ghost

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he said to them why are you troubled why

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do those rise in your minds look at my

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hands and my feet it is i myself touch

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me and see

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and then jesus says a ghost does not

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have flesh and bones

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as you see i have again that's luke 24

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36-43

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he says a ghost doesn't have

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uh

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flesh and bones as you see i have

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so he doesn't say there's no such thing

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as ghosts

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he says a ghost doesn't have flesh and

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bones like me

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touch and see

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so once again

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if that doesn't uh

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surely imply i mean it definitely shows

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there was a belief in ghosts and then i

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think there's a strong implication that

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ghosts would be something real why else

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would jesus say it that way

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totally and you know it's it's

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mind-blowing the uh

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the hypothesis especially with a lot of

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um a lot of the theories and the

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publicity surrounding

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the uh hearings that are being taken

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with ufos and uaps currently i think

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it's it's really starting to hit the

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mainstream

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and

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uh

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it

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we're hearing a lot of ufologists

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and others com commenting on this

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and

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in you know there's a wide variety of

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theories and we may be dealing with a

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multi-dimensional paraphysical

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phenomenon that is largely indigenous to

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planet earth this is kind of disparaging

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because a lot of these encounters

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valet and other ufologists

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top minds in the field

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have studied the phenomenon that when

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these quote-unquote alien abductions

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take place

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when

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believers in

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a power higher than themselves yell out

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for help to christ

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or other

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other

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that these entities disappear have you

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found that in your research at all

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oh absolutely uh

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you know in the faith in the christian

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faith we're taught that um the name of

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jesus christ is the name above all other

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names

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and um you can test this out even if

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you're not a believer

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per se

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uh if you say that name in belief you're

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actually showing a form of belief that

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has power

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and um and we see that through the

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through the exorcism examples

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uh in the in the new testament um but

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you have to have a

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belief in the name and what it what it

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stands for the power that it that it

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means but yes uh to your point

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alien abductions have uh have stopped

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through people calling on the name of

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jesus in jesus name i command you to

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stop in jesus name or just jesus help me

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god help me

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and these things stop so if these were

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truly extra biological uh

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entities

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you know i mean beings like us

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from from another world somewhere then

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why would they have to pay any attention

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to

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um you know the name

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of of this

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this carpenter

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uh that lived 2000 years ago

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no that's the son of god that's and it's

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and it's real and it's across

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all time but but yes you know you talk

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about valet so even um

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you know even in the uh

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boy even in the like the uh the 1970s

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they were already figuring this this

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stuff out about the

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the uh the um

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the

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viewpoint of extraterrestrials i get

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into a lot of this uh in my and

447
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especially my in my second book the

448
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paranormal christian book two uh which

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just came out um you can get it on my

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website it's a richard d lewis author

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dot com and again paranormal christian

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book two um and i've devoted almost 20

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percent of the book just to the ufo

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problem and it is a a a multi-faceted

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multi-dimensional issue because um i'm

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not going to say that all ufo

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experiences are

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you know extra dimensional

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um

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i'm not going to say that there isn't a

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possibility of extraterrestrial you know

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biological life like us out there i mean

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i kind of like to believe that there is

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but we don't really know

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and then a lot of the things that we see

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are explainable most ufo encounters are

467
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explainable uaps or ufos whatever they

468
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want to call them these days

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i still like the classical term ufo

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because um especially if it's an actual

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object in the sky there's nothing wrong

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with saying something's unidentified

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because that's exactly what it is if you

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don't know

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and uh also you mentioned that i'm a

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veteran i'm an air force veteran and uh

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as a civilian also working for the space

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force and i've been around

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u.s

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in the air force i've seen i've

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witnessed every kind of

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you know high-tech

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uh craft in our inventory from the uh

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from the the f-117 to the b-2 bomber

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seen these these um these items up close

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i've seen them in flight

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um you know the rocket

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you from the the delta iv heavy

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um to to to the the atlas all these

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things i've seen actually fly

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i've seen with this you know with the um

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you know what the space station looks

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like in flight um at night

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um i've been staring at this at the sky

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since i was a little kid i've always

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been a stargazer i love

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you know and you just don't see these

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things very often once in a while you

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might see something that's not

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explainable well you know i think that a

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lot of the things that are actual

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verifiable

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objects are you know if it's not

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something that's already in our

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inventory that we know about perhaps

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it's something that we just don't know

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about yet that's in development

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you know um

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um you know

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ben rich of skunk works said that

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there's things

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during his time there were 50 years

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ahead of anything that we knew about

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and uh when you look at the time of

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kenneth arnold and his experience

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um seeing something that looked like

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saucers skipping across the sky which is

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where the term flying saucer comes from

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not because of a saucer shape per se

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um you know we already had flying wings

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well in in development at that point in

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time

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um so

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that's my thought is that a lot of the

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things people see are are our own

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um you know black projects that are in

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development

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and uh and that's what that is but when

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it comes to the actual

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um the contact d or abductee experience

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you see there's a commonality there that

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we found

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through the works of valet and other

534
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other thinkers through the years um

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you know that very

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closely matches the uh medieval tales of

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um you know uh nymphs and uh and

538
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succubus and incubus a common experience

539
00:19:58,310 --> 00:19:55,600
is that that you know the church fathers

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talked about you know they they uh they

541
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it was clear that these things were

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happening to people and again these are

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are not are not uh you know just in the

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christian faith all faiths

545
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across the globe through time have had

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these experiences

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so

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there's certain things you find there's

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there's fear there's a sleep paralysis

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you know it goes beyond those simple you

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know biological explanation of sleep

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paralysis there's the

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the experience of

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beings and whether these beings um show

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themselves as what we would experience

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as the gray aliens or something like

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that or the you know creatures of the of

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demon more demon-like creatures of

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legend

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um i think it's a common experience and

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they're just wearing a different mask

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and that would explain why

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you say

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please stop in jesus name and i would

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invite any of your listeners that have

566
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um experienced this this this phenomena

567
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i know it's a real experience i know

568
00:20:58,630 --> 00:20:56,880
you're suffering i'm not i i don't say

569
00:21:00,149 --> 00:20:58,640
that it's not real

570
00:21:02,390 --> 00:21:00,159
but

571
00:21:04,390 --> 00:21:02,400
try calling on the name of god

572
00:21:06,630 --> 00:21:04,400
the name of jesus christ

573
00:21:08,390 --> 00:21:06,640
do it in belief do it in faith when this

574
00:21:11,350 --> 00:21:08,400
is happening to you

575
00:21:14,950 --> 00:21:11,360
and you watch what happens these powers

576
00:21:18,470 --> 00:21:14,960
cannot stand against the power of jesus

577
00:21:20,549 --> 00:21:18,480
yeah man it is i i have had instances

578
00:21:23,430 --> 00:21:20,559
not not to go off on my own personal

579
00:21:26,870 --> 00:21:23,440
experiences but i have had instances

580
00:21:29,909 --> 00:21:26,880
where as yourself i i was um brought up

581
00:21:31,350 --> 00:21:29,919
and had a in a belief not only in a

582
00:21:33,830 --> 00:21:31,360
higher power

583
00:21:36,230 --> 00:21:33,840
who i choose to call god but also

584
00:21:38,470 --> 00:21:36,240
a connection and i i've heard that small

585
00:21:40,710 --> 00:21:38,480
voice in times of need

586
00:21:43,270 --> 00:21:40,720
some of those times were very scary

587
00:21:46,789 --> 00:21:43,280
times on red rock ridges

588
00:21:47,830 --> 00:21:46,799
in skinwalker territory and you know it

589
00:21:50,470 --> 00:21:47,840
is

590
00:21:53,110 --> 00:21:50,480
it's interesting that

591
00:21:55,110 --> 00:21:53,120
as you said this phenomenon that has

592
00:21:57,590 --> 00:21:55,120
occurred throughout recorded human

593
00:21:59,350 --> 00:21:57,600
history and in prior ages was ascribed

594
00:22:00,630 --> 00:21:59,360
to mythological or supernatural

595
00:22:04,630 --> 00:22:00,640
creatures

596
00:22:05,830 --> 00:22:04,640
is now taking on this ufo uap alien

597
00:22:07,590 --> 00:22:05,840
agenda

598
00:22:09,830 --> 00:22:07,600
and i really like that you brought up

599
00:22:10,549 --> 00:22:09,840
the mask richard because

600
00:22:12,149 --> 00:22:10,559
as

601
00:22:14,630 --> 00:22:12,159
some ufologists have called them

602
00:22:17,750 --> 00:22:14,640
messengers of deception

603
00:22:19,350 --> 00:22:17,760
yeah you don't always know what

604
00:22:20,149 --> 00:22:19,360
you you worded it a lot better than i

605
00:22:21,830 --> 00:22:20,159
can

606
00:22:23,510 --> 00:22:21,840
but um

607
00:22:25,430 --> 00:22:23,520
you don't know what you're dealing with

608
00:22:26,710 --> 00:22:25,440
until you know what you're dealing with

609
00:22:28,870 --> 00:22:26,720
isn't that true in some of these

610
00:22:31,270 --> 00:22:28,880
instances

611
00:22:33,430 --> 00:22:31,280
oh it is and let me tell you i didn't

612
00:22:35,830 --> 00:22:33,440
start out this journey

613
00:22:37,350 --> 00:22:35,840
looking for that to be the answer i i

614
00:22:39,990 --> 00:22:37,360
wanted it to be

615
00:22:41,510 --> 00:22:40,000
the other answer and i still think that

616
00:22:44,149 --> 00:22:41,520
it's possible i don't say that there's

617
00:22:45,830 --> 00:22:44,159
not alien life out there um you know

618
00:22:48,630 --> 00:22:45,840
they're still that you hear this it's

619
00:22:50,470 --> 00:22:48,640
becoming uh almost almost cliche now

620
00:22:51,990 --> 00:22:50,480
where it's like you know the universe is

621
00:22:53,750 --> 00:22:52,000
far too vast for us to be the only

622
00:22:55,110 --> 00:22:53,760
things in the universe well we've we're

623
00:22:56,789 --> 00:22:55,120
not alone we've never been alone and

624
00:22:58,390 --> 00:22:56,799
that's what our faith reveals to us

625
00:23:00,310 --> 00:22:58,400
that's what you know it's inherent

626
00:23:03,029 --> 00:23:00,320
inherent uh the bible says that the

627
00:23:05,909 --> 00:23:03,039
heavens declare declare his handiwork so

628
00:23:07,110 --> 00:23:05,919
people have always had an experience of

629
00:23:08,549 --> 00:23:07,120
something greater than themselves

630
00:23:10,230 --> 00:23:08,559
whether or not it's defined through the

631
00:23:11,909 --> 00:23:10,240
christian faith there's there's always

632
00:23:13,270 --> 00:23:11,919
been this knowing that humans just look

633
00:23:15,750 --> 00:23:13,280
up in the sky you look at the mountains

634
00:23:17,110 --> 00:23:15,760
the trees the clouds you get the sense

635
00:23:18,390 --> 00:23:17,120
that you're that there's something

636
00:23:19,909 --> 00:23:18,400
bigger than you

637
00:23:21,430 --> 00:23:19,919
um at work and then you get that

638
00:23:23,029 --> 00:23:21,440
knowingness inside that still small

639
00:23:24,390 --> 00:23:23,039
voice telling you things

640
00:23:26,470 --> 00:23:24,400
but on the other hand even though i

641
00:23:28,230 --> 00:23:26,480
always had that i've been interested in

642
00:23:29,990 --> 00:23:28,240
you know i remember as a kid watching

643
00:23:31,669 --> 00:23:30,000
close encounters of the of the third

644
00:23:33,190 --> 00:23:31,679
kind i talk about that in the in the the

645
00:23:34,950 --> 00:23:33,200
prologue to my book book two the

646
00:23:37,110 --> 00:23:34,960
paranormal christian book two and how

647
00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:37,120
it's always been an interest to me and

648
00:23:40,630 --> 00:23:38,880
you know i wanted it to be

649
00:23:42,549 --> 00:23:40,640
much like the uh the mainstream

650
00:23:44,070 --> 00:23:42,559
ufologist i wanted it to be the other

651
00:23:45,909 --> 00:23:44,080
thing i wanted it to be those those

652
00:23:47,430 --> 00:23:45,919
alien visitors and i'm not saying that

653
00:23:49,510 --> 00:23:47,440
they're not there and we look at the

654
00:23:51,110 --> 00:23:49,520
vastness of the cosmos there's something

655
00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:51,120
like you know

656
00:23:56,470 --> 00:23:53,760
100 billion uh galaxies in the known

657
00:23:58,710 --> 00:23:56,480
universe and uh every galaxy has

658
00:24:00,470 --> 00:23:58,720
something like 100 billion star systems

659
00:24:02,789 --> 00:24:00,480
and you look at uh

660
00:24:04,470 --> 00:24:02,799
and we seem to be at first glance you

661
00:24:06,789 --> 00:24:04,480
know on the on the outer rim of an

662
00:24:08,630 --> 00:24:06,799
average galaxy with an average star but

663
00:24:10,870 --> 00:24:08,640
when you look closer you find out that

664
00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:10,880
there's nothing average at all about our

665
00:24:14,470 --> 00:24:12,720
placement of what we are uh there's a

666
00:24:16,149 --> 00:24:14,480
supermassive black hole at the center of

667
00:24:17,830 --> 00:24:16,159
our universe it's the furthest thing

668
00:24:20,789 --> 00:24:17,840
that we want to be around but it's

669
00:24:22,950 --> 00:24:20,799
probably the engine of our of our of our

670
00:24:24,470 --> 00:24:22,960
galaxy and engine of all galaxies you

671
00:24:25,590 --> 00:24:24,480
know every car has an engine you name

672
00:24:26,950 --> 00:24:25,600
the engine but you don't want to get too

673
00:24:28,390 --> 00:24:26,960
close because the engine is pretty hot

674
00:24:30,310 --> 00:24:28,400
you know it's kind of like that in the

675
00:24:31,909 --> 00:24:30,320
in the universe and uh you know our

676
00:24:34,149 --> 00:24:31,919
average sized planet seems actually to

677
00:24:37,350 --> 00:24:34,159
be about perfect with our two with our

678
00:24:39,510 --> 00:24:37,360
much too large moon that uh you know

679
00:24:41,830 --> 00:24:39,520
keeps our orbit uh and our tilt of our

680
00:24:43,990 --> 00:24:41,840
axis in check regulates our tides and

681
00:24:46,310 --> 00:24:44,000
things um it shouldn't be that way we

682
00:24:48,310 --> 00:24:46,320
shouldn't have it being perfectly

683
00:24:49,990 --> 00:24:48,320
aligned to where it blocks out the sun

684
00:24:51,909 --> 00:24:50,000
exactly during you know

685
00:24:54,789 --> 00:24:51,919
for us to view the eclipses and things

686
00:24:58,070 --> 00:24:54,799
like that and um you know our yellow

687
00:25:00,310 --> 00:24:58,080
dwarf star happens to be a very rare in

688
00:25:03,110 --> 00:25:00,320
the universe or you know those are not

689
00:25:04,630 --> 00:25:03,120
the common stars that you see uh so the

690
00:25:06,870 --> 00:25:04,640
more you peer into it the more you see

691
00:25:08,310 --> 00:25:06,880
the design there and

692
00:25:11,029 --> 00:25:08,320
you know living

693
00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:11,039
matter emerging from non-living is not

694
00:25:14,549 --> 00:25:12,480
even possible it's mathematically

695
00:25:16,149 --> 00:25:14,559
impossible but yet here we are so you

696
00:25:17,909 --> 00:25:16,159
can't really say well because we're here

697
00:25:20,470 --> 00:25:17,919
they must be there too

698
00:25:23,029 --> 00:25:20,480
uh but on the other hand i still look at

699
00:25:25,350 --> 00:25:23,039
it it's a lot it is a lot of space

700
00:25:26,549 --> 00:25:25,360
um and but is it a wasted space i mean i

701
00:25:28,710 --> 00:25:26,559
don't know you know you look at the

702
00:25:31,430 --> 00:25:28,720
atoms that make up our bodies which come

703
00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:31,440
from you know 14 billion years of stars

704
00:25:36,070 --> 00:25:33,600
of birthing and dying that's what we're

705
00:25:37,750 --> 00:25:36,080
made of star stuff uh but but an atom is

706
00:25:39,350 --> 00:25:37,760
mostly empty space but it's you know

707
00:25:41,190 --> 00:25:39,360
it's not wasted space it's what's needed

708
00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:41,200
so you can't really say it's wasted

709
00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:43,679
space but then on the other hand just

710
00:25:48,310 --> 00:25:46,559
experiencing god and knowing god and how

711
00:25:50,549 --> 00:25:48,320
god is you look around the the physical

712
00:25:52,630 --> 00:25:50,559
world you see it's full of diversity the

713
00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:52,640
the oceans are full of life teeming with

714
00:25:56,710 --> 00:25:54,880
you know from the from the from where

715
00:25:59,909 --> 00:25:56,720
the sun reaches all the way to the

716
00:26:01,750 --> 00:25:59,919
inkiest blackest depths you find uh you

717
00:26:03,669 --> 00:26:01,760
know creatures that are bioluminescent

718
00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:03,679
that create their own light and you see

719
00:26:07,990 --> 00:26:06,480
this variety in the natural world um so

720
00:26:10,310 --> 00:26:08,000
i think perhaps the spiritual world is

721
00:26:12,390 --> 00:26:10,320
like that and then perhaps the universe

722
00:26:15,190 --> 00:26:12,400
is like that so i would like to believe

723
00:26:17,190 --> 00:26:15,200
that there's other life like us um that

724
00:26:18,789 --> 00:26:17,200
are intelligent and then you have to ask

725
00:26:20,310 --> 00:26:18,799
yourself questions like well what's

726
00:26:22,789 --> 00:26:20,320
their experience of

727
00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:22,799
of what's so what's soteriology mean to

728
00:26:26,789 --> 00:26:24,720
them you know to use a theological term

729
00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:26,799
you know how how are we saved you know

730
00:26:30,630 --> 00:26:28,080
if we're aliens

731
00:26:32,470 --> 00:26:30,640
pope francis talked about this in 2014

732
00:26:33,669 --> 00:26:32,480
about the possibility of baptizing

733
00:26:35,590 --> 00:26:33,679
aliens and

734
00:26:38,230 --> 00:26:35,600
he kind of said it you know in a

735
00:26:39,750 --> 00:26:38,240
sideways way to his clergy and but you

736
00:26:41,110 --> 00:26:39,760
know the media picked up on it because

737
00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:41,120
it was very interesting but he said who

738
00:26:46,630 --> 00:26:44,159
am i to stand in the way uh of of the gr

739
00:26:49,269 --> 00:26:46,640
of the grace for them uh but anyway so

740
00:26:51,430 --> 00:26:49,279
yeah i always thought that there was uh

741
00:26:55,110 --> 00:26:51,440
ets out there uh that are that are like

742
00:26:56,870 --> 00:26:55,120
us ex you know biological uh creatures

743
00:26:58,950 --> 00:26:56,880
in nuts and bolts spacecraft as the

744
00:27:01,029 --> 00:26:58,960
ufologists believe that's what i or the

745
00:27:03,029 --> 00:27:01,039
mainstreamers believe you know i always

746
00:27:04,630 --> 00:27:03,039
wanted it to be that but again the more

747
00:27:08,549 --> 00:27:04,640
i looked into the evidence

748
00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:08,559
we really don't have the proof you know

749
00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:09,600
for

750
00:27:13,909 --> 00:27:12,240
um

751
00:27:15,590 --> 00:27:13,919
extraterrestrial beings visiting the

752
00:27:17,750 --> 00:27:15,600
earth there's a lot of stories but i

753
00:27:19,269 --> 00:27:17,760
don't see a lot of proof now i'm open to

754
00:27:20,789 --> 00:27:19,279
it but

755
00:27:22,470 --> 00:27:20,799
but when you talk about the actual

756
00:27:23,990 --> 00:27:22,480
personal experiences

757
00:27:25,909 --> 00:27:24,000
you know once again

758
00:27:27,990 --> 00:27:25,919
um people usually experience these

759
00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:28,000
things at night they usually happen

760
00:27:32,230 --> 00:27:30,159
while they're sleeping you know they

761
00:27:34,310 --> 00:27:32,240
usually find themselves deposited uh

762
00:27:35,909 --> 00:27:34,320
back into their bedroom nicely tucked in

763
00:27:37,909 --> 00:27:35,919
i mean this doesn't seem to be

764
00:27:39,909 --> 00:27:37,919
consistent with

765
00:27:41,110 --> 00:27:39,919
you know biological entities doing these

766
00:27:43,269 --> 00:27:41,120
things

767
00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:43,279
i couldn't agree more that the the

768
00:27:47,669 --> 00:27:46,080
tricksters love the darkness and uh

769
00:27:50,870 --> 00:27:47,679
something that i want to point out is

770
00:27:52,630 --> 00:27:50,880
your website richardd lewisauther.com

771
00:27:54,789 --> 00:27:52,640
amazing website

772
00:27:56,710 --> 00:27:54,799
and i think what's really

773
00:27:58,630 --> 00:27:56,720
the best thing about it is you are

774
00:28:00,950 --> 00:27:58,640
actually helping people or trying to

775
00:28:03,830 --> 00:28:00,960
help people as you said before you have

776
00:28:05,669 --> 00:28:03,840
free access to a three video deliverance

777
00:28:08,630 --> 00:28:05,679
from demon series

778
00:28:11,350 --> 00:28:08,640
and uh you are writing books on the

779
00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:11,360
subject that is going into

780
00:28:16,470 --> 00:28:14,640
you know this this against not against

781
00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:16,480
but you're opening the minds of people i

782
00:28:22,549 --> 00:28:18,240
think there's a predominant explanation

783
00:28:25,110 --> 00:28:22,559
by you know ufologists dealing with uaps

784
00:28:27,190 --> 00:28:25,120
and other things and it's important not

785
00:28:28,389 --> 00:28:27,200
to have blinders on when you're looking

786
00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:28,399
at this

787
00:28:34,549 --> 00:28:30,960
because there's a lot going on

788
00:28:36,470 --> 00:28:34,559
uh that you know i i go back to um some

789
00:28:37,669 --> 00:28:36,480
biblical

790
00:28:39,590 --> 00:28:37,679
accounts

791
00:28:42,710 --> 00:28:39,600
and whenever you're dealing with a power

792
00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:42,720
that is so great that it is stunning i i

793
00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:44,880
always come back to uh when the nazarene

794
00:28:48,389 --> 00:28:46,080
was born

795
00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:48,399
and an angel comes down amongst

796
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:50,880
shepherds and

797
00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:53,520
they're horrified they're just horrified

798
00:28:58,389 --> 00:28:56,080
and stunned by its power and this is an

799
00:29:01,350 --> 00:28:58,399
angelic being this is not even a demonic

800
00:29:02,789 --> 00:29:01,360
being and it's still basically i cannot

801
00:29:04,630 --> 00:29:02,799
remember the word and you probably know

802
00:29:07,190 --> 00:29:04,640
better than i but it kind of had to say

803
00:29:08,310 --> 00:29:07,200
fear not like calm down it's okay

804
00:29:10,870 --> 00:29:08,320
um

805
00:29:12,950 --> 00:29:10,880
there's a lot of uh

806
00:29:15,269 --> 00:29:12,960
there's a lot of power involved when

807
00:29:16,470 --> 00:29:15,279
you're dealing with both angels or

808
00:29:17,990 --> 00:29:16,480
demons

809
00:29:19,990 --> 00:29:18,000
and

810
00:29:23,750 --> 00:29:20,000
this is something that it's hard it's

811
00:29:25,909 --> 00:29:23,760
hard for humans to grasp this

812
00:29:27,830 --> 00:29:25,919
oh i couldn't agree more you know that's

813
00:29:29,590 --> 00:29:27,840
that almost every account in the bible

814
00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:29,600
where you see an angel appearing to

815
00:29:34,149 --> 00:29:32,080
someone and the word angel simply means

816
00:29:36,549 --> 00:29:34,159
um as it's translated simply means

817
00:29:39,669 --> 00:29:36,559
messenger um and there's a whole

818
00:29:41,110 --> 00:29:39,679
hierarchy of of angels and i get into

819
00:29:44,070 --> 00:29:41,120
this in my first book the paranormal

820
00:29:47,029 --> 00:29:44,080
christian book one and i lay out um the

821
00:29:49,430 --> 00:29:47,039
entire the entire spectrum usually i

822
00:29:51,510 --> 00:29:49,440
feel like um we here in our in our

823
00:29:53,110 --> 00:29:51,520
mortal existence when we encounter

824
00:29:55,909 --> 00:29:53,120
angels is probably going to be a lower

825
00:29:58,230 --> 00:29:55,919
tier angel something like a um you know

826
00:29:59,830 --> 00:29:58,240
a personal guardian angel

827
00:30:02,070 --> 00:29:59,840
which i believe the scriptures uh

828
00:30:04,149 --> 00:30:02,080
support or um

829
00:30:05,269 --> 00:30:04,159
or or maybe an archangel and then but

830
00:30:07,750 --> 00:30:05,279
you have

831
00:30:08,950 --> 00:30:07,760
these beings as as as they're defined

832
00:30:10,389 --> 00:30:08,960
they go all the way through the the

833
00:30:12,870 --> 00:30:10,399
cosmic

834
00:30:15,110 --> 00:30:12,880
powers uh and principalities these are

835
00:30:17,430 --> 00:30:15,120
these are these are group beings of of

836
00:30:19,029 --> 00:30:17,440
great power uh the you know the thro the

837
00:30:20,950 --> 00:30:19,039
dominions the thrones they don't even

838
00:30:23,190 --> 00:30:20,960
leave god's presence

839
00:30:25,830 --> 00:30:23,200
you know um and and then there's uh

840
00:30:27,909 --> 00:30:25,840
there's regional beings uh and those are

841
00:30:30,389 --> 00:30:27,919
very powerful too in the bible it talks

842
00:30:32,630 --> 00:30:30,399
about the prince of persia and and saint

843
00:30:34,389 --> 00:30:32,640
michael uh having to help to help daniel

844
00:30:35,990 --> 00:30:34,399
overcome the prince of persia so we were

845
00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:36,000
talking about a being that was in charge

846
00:30:39,990 --> 00:30:37,200
of the entire

847
00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:40,000
all of persia you know and um when you

848
00:30:43,590 --> 00:30:41,440
if you really look into it and i get

849
00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:43,600
into this in in my chapter

850
00:30:48,789 --> 00:30:45,760
uh called the the other gods in my first

851
00:30:50,470 --> 00:30:48,799
book where you talk about um

852
00:30:51,750 --> 00:30:50,480
you know like the greek gods and things

853
00:30:55,029 --> 00:30:51,760
and things like that

854
00:30:57,029 --> 00:30:55,039
um you you will see that um

855
00:30:59,269 --> 00:30:57,039
there there you know the mesopotamian

856
00:31:01,750 --> 00:30:59,279
peoples in ancient times they all were

857
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:01,760
experiencing similar beings like the

858
00:31:04,470 --> 00:31:03,600
bowel that they talk about in the in the

859
00:31:06,310 --> 00:31:04,480
bible

860
00:31:08,470 --> 00:31:06,320
and uh zeus

861
00:31:10,630 --> 00:31:08,480
um they both hold lightning bolts you

862
00:31:12,630 --> 00:31:10,640
know chances are that's the same being

863
00:31:14,549 --> 00:31:12,640
you know what i mean so uh and that's on

864
00:31:16,310 --> 00:31:14,559
the higher tier now on the lords here

865
00:31:18,230 --> 00:31:16,320
with with our experiences that you do

866
00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:18,240
see that you know fear or not you all

867
00:31:22,870 --> 00:31:20,880
you you you often you often see that but

868
00:31:25,509 --> 00:31:22,880
then there's the the personal experience

869
00:31:28,230 --> 00:31:25,519
too like when when peter was free from

870
00:31:30,470 --> 00:31:28,240
prison by an angel um and uh and he

871
00:31:32,630 --> 00:31:30,480
returned to the disciples uh king herod

872
00:31:34,630 --> 00:31:32,640
you know threw him into prison

873
00:31:36,549 --> 00:31:34,640
back in those days the uh the religious

874
00:31:38,310 --> 00:31:36,559
leaders were very upset by this church

875
00:31:39,909 --> 00:31:38,320
movement uh they didn't understand it

876
00:31:41,990 --> 00:31:39,919
they didn't know that jesus was the

877
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:42,000
messiah many of them many of them did of

878
00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:44,880
course and they converted but um

879
00:31:50,230 --> 00:31:47,760
and really the christianity is we we we

880
00:31:52,230 --> 00:31:50,240
we keep our ties with our with our our

881
00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:52,240
jewish brethren you know it's that's why

882
00:31:56,310 --> 00:31:54,640
they call the belief system judeo

883
00:31:58,470 --> 00:31:56,320
christian because we feel like that

884
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:58,480
we're the fulfillment uh where the you

885
00:32:01,990 --> 00:32:00,000
know where the children of abraham as

886
00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:02,000
well you know we feel like we're we're

887
00:32:06,070 --> 00:32:03,600
israelites by

888
00:32:08,549 --> 00:32:06,080
being grafted in through through jesus

889
00:32:10,630 --> 00:32:08,559
but anyway when peter uh returned they

890
00:32:12,230 --> 00:32:10,640
it says they they didn't believe you

891
00:32:14,230 --> 00:32:12,240
know rhoda was actually

892
00:32:16,630 --> 00:32:14,240
the person that uh saw him that heard

893
00:32:18,950 --> 00:32:16,640
his voice i should say uh and when she

894
00:32:20,149 --> 00:32:18,960
told the disciples peter's here they

895
00:32:21,909 --> 00:32:20,159
knew he was locked up so they didn't

896
00:32:23,909 --> 00:32:21,919
believe it and they said well

897
00:32:25,350 --> 00:32:23,919
um first they said oh you must be crazy

898
00:32:28,389 --> 00:32:25,360
and then they were like well it must be

899
00:32:30,950 --> 00:32:28,399
his angel you know and uh the scriptures

900
00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:30,960
say that uh that you know the little

901
00:32:34,870 --> 00:32:32,640
children their angels always behold the

902
00:32:37,909 --> 00:32:34,880
face of the father so there is a gentle

903
00:32:39,669 --> 00:32:37,919
side to angels as well and uh and you'll

904
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:39,679
feel that prodding you know by your by

905
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:42,000
your guardian your guardian angel and

906
00:32:46,389 --> 00:32:43,919
and it's it's a lot less frightening and

907
00:32:48,950 --> 00:32:46,399
uh but i think the angels uh they know

908
00:32:50,549 --> 00:32:48,960
how to maybe dem their light down enough

909
00:32:51,509 --> 00:32:50,559
to where they don't scare us and things

910
00:32:52,630 --> 00:32:51,519
like that

911
00:32:54,230 --> 00:32:52,640
um

912
00:32:57,750 --> 00:32:54,240
but yeah when it comes to the nefarious

913
00:32:59,350 --> 00:32:57,760
means um they're powerful beings but the

914
00:33:01,509 --> 00:32:59,360
power of god is much more powerful than

915
00:33:03,110 --> 00:33:01,519
that and i'm not saying that every

916
00:33:04,710 --> 00:33:03,120
single thing that happens it's i don't

917
00:33:06,710 --> 00:33:04,720
look for i don't expect a demon to be

918
00:33:08,149 --> 00:33:06,720
under every rock uh certainly don't

919
00:33:09,430 --> 00:33:08,159
think that but then we don't want to

920
00:33:11,750 --> 00:33:09,440
make the mistake

921
00:33:13,029 --> 00:33:11,760
of um not believing in them either

922
00:33:14,950 --> 00:33:13,039
because that's the greatest lie that

923
00:33:16,630 --> 00:33:14,960
satan could ever could ever pull on us

924
00:33:19,110 --> 00:33:16,640
that's kind of a famous thing you know

925
00:33:21,190 --> 00:33:19,120
the greatest the the greatest thing was

926
00:33:22,870 --> 00:33:21,200
to convince us that he doesn't exist

927
00:33:25,269 --> 00:33:22,880
because at the end of the day

928
00:33:27,029 --> 00:33:25,279
really the agenda is fair so if you fall

929
00:33:28,549 --> 00:33:27,039
in lockstep with the agenda it doesn't

930
00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:28,559
matter if you believe in it and it's

931
00:33:32,149 --> 00:33:30,320
like you know in the uh

932
00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:32,159
uh you know like the movie the prophecy

933
00:33:35,110 --> 00:33:33,120
i don't know if you've ever seen that

934
00:33:36,710 --> 00:33:35,120
it's such a that's just such a wicked

935
00:33:39,909 --> 00:33:36,720
cool film you know with the christopher

936
00:33:40,710 --> 00:33:39,919
walken and uh it's like you know

937
00:33:42,070 --> 00:33:40,720
well

938
00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:42,080
you don't have to believe in demons they

939
00:33:47,110 --> 00:33:44,320
believe in you you know kind of thing

940
00:33:48,630 --> 00:33:47,120
so um so it is real and uh and but like

941
00:33:51,190 --> 00:33:48,640
i said i think the paranormal experience

942
00:33:53,669 --> 00:33:51,200
is is far more nuanced and subtle

943
00:33:55,990 --> 00:33:53,679
and uh and diverse than

944
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:56,000
a lot of people on either side want to

945
00:33:59,669 --> 00:33:58,080
believe and really we have to explore

946
00:34:02,549 --> 00:33:59,679
this from an open mind

947
00:34:04,070 --> 00:34:02,559
um you know

948
00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:04,080
when it comes to science science

949
00:34:08,069 --> 00:34:06,000
definitely needs to have an open mind

950
00:34:09,669 --> 00:34:08,079
the faith is same same thing you know

951
00:34:11,190 --> 00:34:09,679
you can't we can't get stuck in dogma

952
00:34:13,589 --> 00:34:11,200
because we look at what

953
00:34:16,069 --> 00:34:13,599
what our investigation and our

954
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:16,079
experience and it reveals to us the

955
00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:17,520
thing that i find comforting is that it

956
00:34:20,149 --> 00:34:18,720
doesn't conflict with the bible it

957
00:34:21,909 --> 00:34:20,159
doesn't conflict with the scriptures

958
00:34:23,669 --> 00:34:21,919
that's what i want people to know that

959
00:34:25,990 --> 00:34:23,679
you can you can have your cake and eat

960
00:34:28,950 --> 00:34:26,000
it too so to speak i mean you can be

961
00:34:30,950 --> 00:34:28,960
interested in cryptids and and ufos and

962
00:34:32,389 --> 00:34:30,960
and ghosts and angels and demons and all

963
00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:32,399
these kind of things

964
00:34:37,349 --> 00:34:34,560
curious about it about these the

965
00:34:39,109 --> 00:34:37,359
the mythologies um the traditions all

966
00:34:40,550 --> 00:34:39,119
these things come from true experiences

967
00:34:41,829 --> 00:34:40,560
and then you look at what does the bible

968
00:34:44,310 --> 00:34:41,839
have to say about it

969
00:34:46,470 --> 00:34:44,320
it doesn't it doesn't conflict with

970
00:34:48,869 --> 00:34:46,480
these various things in fact you you

971
00:34:50,230 --> 00:34:48,879
find that it's all correlated under one

972
00:34:52,149 --> 00:34:50,240
big picture so that's what i'm trying to

973
00:34:54,069 --> 00:34:52,159
get across the folks with with my book

974
00:34:57,510 --> 00:34:54,079
series the paranormal christian

975
00:34:59,829 --> 00:34:57,520
uh book one came out in 2020 uh book two

976
00:35:03,510 --> 00:34:59,839
uh just just came out um a couple of

977
00:35:05,349 --> 00:35:03,520
months ago and um hey you know

978
00:35:07,589 --> 00:35:05,359
i i invite all of you to explore if

979
00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:07,599
you're curious about it um if this

980
00:35:10,630 --> 00:35:09,680
speaks to you somehow please and also

981
00:35:13,270 --> 00:35:10,640
once again my website

982
00:35:14,870 --> 00:35:13,280
richardlewisauthor.com

983
00:35:17,670 --> 00:35:14,880
get to know me

984
00:35:20,069 --> 00:35:17,680
i speak directly to to the people that

985
00:35:22,069 --> 00:35:20,079
follow me on social media i'm active on

986
00:35:23,829 --> 00:35:22,079
facebook um

987
00:35:25,589 --> 00:35:23,839
twitter instagram

988
00:35:27,589 --> 00:35:25,599
and uh even if you're not into this

989
00:35:30,230 --> 00:35:27,599
paranormal stuff if you just like movies

990
00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:30,240
i have a whole film review site that uh

991
00:35:35,510 --> 00:35:32,720
just has devoted cool things like

992
00:35:37,349 --> 00:35:35,520
superhero movies uh horror films action

993
00:35:39,270 --> 00:35:37,359
movies all that kind of stuff

994
00:35:41,510 --> 00:35:39,280
so um i think there's a lot that we can

995
00:35:43,829 --> 00:35:41,520
uh we can talk about together

996
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:43,839
yes and i think you're in a very unique

997
00:35:49,030 --> 00:35:47,520
position um with your careers throughout

998
00:35:51,190 --> 00:35:49,040
your life

999
00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:51,200
working with

1000
00:35:58,790 --> 00:35:54,640
the air force uh the space

1001
00:36:00,470 --> 00:35:58,800
stuff and you know it is

1002
00:36:03,109 --> 00:36:00,480
very interesting

1003
00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:03,119
in my opinion um kind of switching gears

1004
00:36:05,750 --> 00:36:04,560
a little bit

1005
00:36:07,990 --> 00:36:05,760
that

1006
00:36:09,750 --> 00:36:08,000
these messengers of deception of some as

1007
00:36:11,030 --> 00:36:09,760
some have called them and i'm not trying

1008
00:36:13,990 --> 00:36:11,040
to just keep it dark the whole way

1009
00:36:17,109 --> 00:36:14,000
because there is light here as well but

1010
00:36:18,790 --> 00:36:17,119
um the shape-shifting um that is

1011
00:36:19,990 --> 00:36:18,800
mentioned in a lot of mythology and

1012
00:36:23,109 --> 00:36:20,000
folklore

1013
00:36:24,870 --> 00:36:23,119
and i mean the concept is the idea of

1014
00:36:27,430 --> 00:36:24,880
shape-shifting is one of the oldest

1015
00:36:28,710 --> 00:36:27,440
forms of totena totemism and shamanism

1016
00:36:30,790 --> 00:36:28,720
as well as

1017
00:36:32,069 --> 00:36:30,800
it's in all kinds of epic poems and

1018
00:36:34,230 --> 00:36:32,079
literature

1019
00:36:36,950 --> 00:36:34,240
and the ability to physically transform

1020
00:36:39,190 --> 00:36:36,960
oneself through an inherently superhuman

1021
00:36:41,670 --> 00:36:39,200
ability divine intervention or demonic

1022
00:36:44,230 --> 00:36:41,680
manipulation there's a there's a a

1023
00:36:47,270 --> 00:36:44,240
number of ways to do this what i find

1024
00:36:49,430 --> 00:36:47,280
interesting is that a lot of ufology and

1025
00:36:52,470 --> 00:36:49,440
experts in the uap field

1026
00:36:54,390 --> 00:36:52,480
will not look at this through the lens

1027
00:36:56,790 --> 00:36:54,400
of biblical truth

1028
00:36:58,630 --> 00:36:56,800
they will look at everything else

1029
00:36:59,990 --> 00:36:58,640
but many of them and i shouldn't speak

1030
00:37:01,349 --> 00:37:00,000
for all of them because there are some

1031
00:37:03,510 --> 00:37:01,359
that are open to it but i think it's

1032
00:37:04,470 --> 00:37:03,520
important to be open-minded to all

1033
00:37:06,550 --> 00:37:04,480
things

1034
00:37:08,950 --> 00:37:06,560
and not discount the bible what what are

1035
00:37:12,310 --> 00:37:08,960
your thoughts on this richard

1036
00:37:15,030 --> 00:37:12,320
well the bible is an amazing uh proof

1037
00:37:16,470 --> 00:37:15,040
text for so many of these things and you

1038
00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:16,480
know that's one of the things i really

1039
00:37:20,710 --> 00:37:18,720
enjoy about uh take for example the

1040
00:37:21,589 --> 00:37:20,720
ancient alien um

1041
00:37:23,270 --> 00:37:21,599
uh

1042
00:37:25,270 --> 00:37:23,280
you know the ancient astronaut theory

1043
00:37:27,589 --> 00:37:25,280
and and that um you know people like

1044
00:37:29,510 --> 00:37:27,599
eric bondanakin um

1045
00:37:31,510 --> 00:37:29,520
popularized and then of course we've got

1046
00:37:33,349 --> 00:37:31,520
the the shows like the history channels

1047
00:37:36,069 --> 00:37:33,359
show ancient aliens and i and i love

1048
00:37:37,829 --> 00:37:36,079
that show because they take all of the

1049
00:37:39,510 --> 00:37:37,839
the bible stories at face value they

1050
00:37:41,109 --> 00:37:39,520
don't try to discount them like like

1051
00:37:42,790 --> 00:37:41,119
skeptics do they actually believe these

1052
00:37:45,109 --> 00:37:42,800
things happen it's just a little bit of

1053
00:37:47,190 --> 00:37:45,119
a difference in what they say

1054
00:37:49,030 --> 00:37:47,200
is the cause you know most of them think

1055
00:37:51,190 --> 00:37:49,040
that all these things can be explained

1056
00:37:52,870 --> 00:37:51,200
by um by

1057
00:37:54,950 --> 00:37:52,880
biological entities and nuts in both

1058
00:37:56,470 --> 00:37:54,960
spacecraft and you know i don't say that

1059
00:37:58,870 --> 00:37:56,480
there isn't like i say the possibility

1060
00:38:00,550 --> 00:37:58,880
of some of that but you've got to just

1061
00:38:01,910 --> 00:38:00,560
go where the evidence

1062
00:38:03,589 --> 00:38:01,920
leads you and when it comes to shape

1063
00:38:05,910 --> 00:38:03,599
shifting and things like that the bible

1064
00:38:07,990 --> 00:38:05,920
is very clear that uh the devil can

1065
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:08,000
appear as an angel of light and that's

1066
00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:11,520
why uh apostle paul or excuse me um

1067
00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:13,760
apostle john told us that we should we

1068
00:38:18,870 --> 00:38:15,680
should test the spirits you know and

1069
00:38:20,550 --> 00:38:18,880
this comes from first john 4 1-6 he says

1070
00:38:23,109 --> 00:38:20,560
do not believe every spirit but test the

1071
00:38:25,349 --> 00:38:23,119
spirits to see whether they are from god

1072
00:38:26,950 --> 00:38:25,359
and um so

1073
00:38:29,430 --> 00:38:26,960
you know most christians say well you

1074
00:38:31,190 --> 00:38:29,440
can't you can't speak to spirits they

1075
00:38:33,430 --> 00:38:31,200
can't speak to you these kind of things

1076
00:38:35,190 --> 00:38:33,440
there's all kinds of uh false beliefs

1077
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:35,200
that i debunk in my books the paranormal

1078
00:38:38,550 --> 00:38:37,200
christian book one and two but why would

1079
00:38:41,109 --> 00:38:38,560
he tell us to test the spirits if we

1080
00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:41,119
weren't going to interact with them

1081
00:38:44,710 --> 00:38:42,720
and uh once again when it comes to

1082
00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:44,720
things like like say you know the crypt

1083
00:38:47,750 --> 00:38:46,480
it's like bigfoot for example

1084
00:38:50,310 --> 00:38:47,760
um

1085
00:38:52,069 --> 00:38:50,320
you know my initial thought and belief

1086
00:38:53,910 --> 00:38:52,079
what i would prefer to believe

1087
00:38:55,109 --> 00:38:53,920
but but what it may be is to it could be

1088
00:38:57,030 --> 00:38:55,119
two different things because i would

1089
00:38:59,589 --> 00:38:57,040
rather just like with when i was a kid

1090
00:39:01,510 --> 00:38:59,599
and i wanted to believe that the uh the

1091
00:39:03,190 --> 00:39:01,520
flying saucers were from another planet

1092
00:39:05,270 --> 00:39:03,200
and they're biological

1093
00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:05,280
you know sentient beings like us

1094
00:39:09,589 --> 00:39:07,680
uh not you know angelic or demonic or

1095
00:39:10,790 --> 00:39:09,599
whatever that's what i wanted to believe

1096
00:39:12,870 --> 00:39:10,800
but that may not be what we're

1097
00:39:15,190 --> 00:39:12,880
experiencing um

1098
00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:15,200
it may be you know extra dimensional and

1099
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:16,320
when it comes to this it's the same

1100
00:39:20,550 --> 00:39:18,240
thing with the with the cryptids and and

1101
00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:20,560
and so forth um i would like to think

1102
00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:22,320
that maybe bigfoot

1103
00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:24,000
because you know

1104
00:39:28,950 --> 00:39:26,400
this creature or sasquatch or the yeti

1105
00:39:31,349 --> 00:39:28,960
is experienced in you know usually in

1106
00:39:33,030 --> 00:39:31,359
remote regions dense forests i would

1107
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:33,040
like to think well maybe this is uh

1108
00:39:36,950 --> 00:39:35,280
maybe this is a um

1109
00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:36,960
a descendent from our same family trees

1110
00:39:41,990 --> 00:39:39,520
homo sapiens you know maybe this is a

1111
00:39:44,230 --> 00:39:42,000
you know a bipedal you know uh a

1112
00:39:46,390 --> 00:39:44,240
creature that's uh an ape-like creature

1113
00:39:48,069 --> 00:39:46,400
that's a physical being that um it's

1114
00:39:50,470 --> 00:39:48,079
just been hiding from us all these years

1115
00:39:52,150 --> 00:39:50,480
and and is and is you know you know

1116
00:39:54,550 --> 00:39:52,160
tucked away in these forests and that's

1117
00:39:56,790 --> 00:39:54,560
why we really um haven't um

1118
00:39:59,670 --> 00:39:56,800
encountered them directly so to speak or

1119
00:40:00,870 --> 00:39:59,680
discovered them uh implicitly

1120
00:40:03,270 --> 00:40:00,880
i would like to believe that that would

1121
00:40:04,870 --> 00:40:03,280
be cool you know the the um

1122
00:40:06,069 --> 00:40:04,880
you know the scientist in me wants that

1123
00:40:08,790 --> 00:40:06,079
you know i would just love to just touch

1124
00:40:11,270 --> 00:40:08,800
one and see one right but then

1125
00:40:12,790 --> 00:40:11,280
why do they smell like sulfur okay why

1126
00:40:15,109 --> 00:40:12,800
do they uh mysteriously appear and

1127
00:40:16,470 --> 00:40:15,119
disappear why are they so hard to catch

1128
00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:16,480
you know you see it one minute and then

1129
00:40:19,510 --> 00:40:17,760
it's gone the next

1130
00:40:21,109 --> 00:40:19,520
you know maybe these are

1131
00:40:23,589 --> 00:40:21,119
exactly what we think they are and then

1132
00:40:25,349 --> 00:40:23,599
we've got all these all these stories uh

1133
00:40:26,790 --> 00:40:25,359
from our from our uh

1134
00:40:28,630 --> 00:40:26,800
from the various cultures that you

1135
00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:28,640
mentioned um the native the native

1136
00:40:32,150 --> 00:40:30,160
traditions the spiritual traditions the

1137
00:40:33,829 --> 00:40:32,160
shamanic traditions and then where they

1138
00:40:36,790 --> 00:40:33,839
talk about skin walkers and they talk

1139
00:40:40,390 --> 00:40:36,800
about you know things uh these these

1140
00:40:41,829 --> 00:40:40,400
strange beings and you know we can't we

1141
00:40:44,150 --> 00:40:41,839
certainly can't discount the fact that

1142
00:40:46,150 --> 00:40:44,160
they may be spiritual in nature maybe

1143
00:40:48,069 --> 00:40:46,160
they're opening portals maybe that's

1144
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:48,079
what uh what we explain when you talk

1145
00:40:52,390 --> 00:40:50,640
about dimensionality uh that that

1146
00:40:54,550 --> 00:40:52,400
actually answers a lot of questions you

1147
00:40:56,790 --> 00:40:54,560
know the apostle paul had something that

1148
00:40:58,390 --> 00:40:56,800
would seem to be like a near-death

1149
00:41:00,630 --> 00:40:58,400
experience where he talked about being

1150
00:41:02,150 --> 00:41:00,640
carried to the third heaven and seeing

1151
00:41:03,510 --> 00:41:02,160
things and experiencing things that he

1152
00:41:05,750 --> 00:41:03,520
really couldn't

1153
00:41:07,910 --> 00:41:05,760
you know wasn't allowed to to describe

1154
00:41:10,710 --> 00:41:07,920
or maybe he couldn't describe it because

1155
00:41:13,190 --> 00:41:10,720
perhaps uh like my friend louis minero

1156
00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:13,200
uh told me and i talked to him for my

1157
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:15,200
first book uh he's a he's an expert

1158
00:41:20,150 --> 00:41:17,040
researcher in obese

1159
00:41:23,270 --> 00:41:20,160
out of body experiences he says the the

1160
00:41:24,150 --> 00:41:23,280
um when you're in the other realms this

1161
00:41:26,230 --> 00:41:24,160
body

1162
00:41:28,470 --> 00:41:26,240
the brain we don't have the hardware to

1163
00:41:30,390 --> 00:41:28,480
download the software so that's why

1164
00:41:31,750 --> 00:41:30,400
they can't they can't fully describe it

1165
00:41:33,990 --> 00:41:31,760
and that's why in the bible it talks

1166
00:41:36,309 --> 00:41:34,000
about you know streets of gold pearly

1167
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:36,319
gates things like that doesn't mean that

1168
00:41:40,230 --> 00:41:38,640
it's a literal reference to literal you

1169
00:41:42,710 --> 00:41:40,240
know well what is it 24 karat gold the

1170
00:41:44,470 --> 00:41:42,720
14 carat it's not gold plated right it's

1171
00:41:46,829 --> 00:41:44,480
heaven it's got to be pure gold no i

1172
00:41:49,510 --> 00:41:46,839
mean it was talking about shimmering you

1173
00:41:50,550 --> 00:41:49,520
know um

1174
00:41:52,630 --> 00:41:50,560
cosmic

1175
00:41:54,550 --> 00:41:52,640
things that you know you experience in

1176
00:41:56,470 --> 00:41:54,560
the in the spirit that you probably

1177
00:41:57,589 --> 00:41:56,480
can't even describe in the in the

1178
00:41:59,349 --> 00:41:57,599
physical

1179
00:42:03,910 --> 00:41:59,359
so

1180
00:42:05,270 --> 00:42:03,920
really it's really fun it's really cool

1181
00:42:07,030 --> 00:42:05,280
to study these things and like i said

1182
00:42:09,190 --> 00:42:07,040
the thing i want to reassure christians

1183
00:42:10,630 --> 00:42:09,200
is that it's okay it's okay to be

1184
00:42:11,990 --> 00:42:10,640
interested in this stuff and i want to

1185
00:42:14,470 --> 00:42:12,000
tell the people from the from the more

1186
00:42:16,230 --> 00:42:14,480
of the paranormal side that uh you know

1187
00:42:17,829 --> 00:42:16,240
aren't really interested in the faith

1188
00:42:20,710 --> 00:42:17,839
you know um

1189
00:42:23,589 --> 00:42:20,720
christianity christianity is is it's for

1190
00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:23,599
it's for everyone and uh we don't want

1191
00:42:27,990 --> 00:42:26,000
anyone to feel excluded we we you know

1192
00:42:29,910 --> 00:42:28,000
people have had bad experiences human

1193
00:42:32,069 --> 00:42:29,920
beings are fallible

1194
00:42:34,470 --> 00:42:32,079
the errors that

1195
00:42:36,069 --> 00:42:34,480
some some of our you know faith have

1196
00:42:38,630 --> 00:42:36,079
made over the years

1197
00:42:41,430 --> 00:42:38,640
don't don't let that uh make you angry

1198
00:42:43,670 --> 00:42:41,440
at god because god is just pure love

1199
00:42:46,470 --> 00:42:43,680
love for everyone and that's that's what

1200
00:42:49,109 --> 00:42:46,480
you experience when you know jesus

1201
00:42:51,750 --> 00:42:49,119
yeah man it is you know anyone who has

1202
00:42:54,390 --> 00:42:51,760
encountered uh strange events firsthand

1203
00:42:55,270 --> 00:42:54,400
will quickly realize that one's world

1204
00:42:57,750 --> 00:42:55,280
view

1205
00:42:59,750 --> 00:42:57,760
shifts you uh

1206
00:43:01,589 --> 00:42:59,760
you begin to notice things that you

1207
00:43:03,190 --> 00:43:01,599
didn't notice before

1208
00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:03,200
and um

1209
00:43:07,030 --> 00:43:05,760
a new book by george knapp i'm sure

1210
00:43:09,270 --> 00:43:07,040
you've heard of it

1211
00:43:10,790 --> 00:43:09,280
uh skinwalkers at the pentagon an

1212
00:43:13,829 --> 00:43:10,800
insider's account of the secret

1213
00:43:15,670 --> 00:43:13,839
government ufo program it goes into

1214
00:43:17,990 --> 00:43:15,680
extensive government studies into

1215
00:43:19,589 --> 00:43:18,000
anomalies such as abductions wormholes

1216
00:43:21,589 --> 00:43:19,599
anti-gravity

1217
00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:21,599
invisibility cloaking infusion

1218
00:43:24,150 --> 00:43:23,040
technology

1219
00:43:27,990 --> 00:43:24,160
and

1220
00:43:29,910 --> 00:43:28,000
the odd goings on in many of these

1221
00:43:32,150 --> 00:43:29,920
ranch-like areas

1222
00:43:34,230 --> 00:43:32,160
rural areas you know dogs being

1223
00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:34,240
vaporized things appearing out of

1224
00:43:39,829 --> 00:43:37,200
nowhere manifesting from nothing

1225
00:43:42,309 --> 00:43:39,839
you know the government is taking

1226
00:43:45,829 --> 00:43:42,319
this seriously and with good reason

1227
00:43:49,829 --> 00:43:48,390
uh they certainly uh seem to be i mean i

1228
00:43:53,349 --> 00:43:49,839
think they've always had an interest in

1229
00:43:56,069 --> 00:43:53,359
it um going back to um you know project

1230
00:43:58,470 --> 00:43:56,079
blue book and the predecessor um

1231
00:44:00,710 --> 00:43:58,480
you know uh studies that led to that led

1232
00:44:02,790 --> 00:44:00,720
to blue book um

1233
00:44:04,230 --> 00:44:02,800
there's always been this interest and

1234
00:44:05,829 --> 00:44:04,240
when it comes down to the military i

1235
00:44:09,750 --> 00:44:05,839
mean there's a pragmatic interest

1236
00:44:11,430 --> 00:44:09,760
because you know it's um if if there are

1237
00:44:12,870 --> 00:44:11,440
things in our skies

1238
00:44:14,630 --> 00:44:12,880
you know do they threaten our natural

1239
00:44:16,550 --> 00:44:14,640
our excuse me our national security

1240
00:44:17,829 --> 00:44:16,560
that's that's what um

1241
00:44:20,710 --> 00:44:17,839
our defense leaders are always

1242
00:44:22,069 --> 00:44:20,720
interested in and i mean they've never

1243
00:44:23,910 --> 00:44:22,079
they've never closed the door to the

1244
00:44:25,109 --> 00:44:23,920
paranormal i mean you know

1245
00:44:29,109 --> 00:44:25,119
um

1246
00:44:30,790 --> 00:44:29,119
tactical ways

1247
00:44:33,430 --> 00:44:30,800
uh by our government

1248
00:44:34,390 --> 00:44:33,440
and that's that's a known thing and uh

1249
00:44:35,910 --> 00:44:34,400
you know when it comes to the work of

1250
00:44:37,829 --> 00:44:35,920
george knapp i think it's very very

1251
00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:37,839
impressive i'm very fascinated how he

1252
00:44:42,150 --> 00:44:39,839
broke the story on bob lazar

1253
00:44:44,150 --> 00:44:42,160
and i look at um you know

1254
00:44:47,910 --> 00:44:44,160
what bob lazar revealed

1255
00:44:49,510 --> 00:44:47,920
about how how these um these craft

1256
00:44:52,230 --> 00:44:49,520
use anti-gravity

1257
00:44:53,829 --> 00:44:52,240
to propagate and the the common thought

1258
00:44:55,589 --> 00:44:53,839
in the ufologist

1259
00:44:56,470 --> 00:44:55,599
community is that

1260
00:44:59,349 --> 00:44:56,480
you know

1261
00:45:03,190 --> 00:44:59,359
people like engineers like mr lazar

1262
00:45:06,069 --> 00:45:03,200
used um alien technology g to bet to

1263
00:45:08,309 --> 00:45:06,079
reverse engineer spacecraft and so on um

1264
00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:08,319
well maybe or maybe people like him were

1265
00:45:11,910 --> 00:45:11,040
brought into this and they just uh you

1266
00:45:14,230 --> 00:45:11,920
know

1267
00:45:15,750 --> 00:45:14,240
they're fed a story or they come up with

1268
00:45:17,589 --> 00:45:15,760
you know certain certain technology like

1269
00:45:19,589 --> 00:45:17,599
i said there's just not enough proof

1270
00:45:22,309 --> 00:45:19,599
for it to go that far for me i do

1271
00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:22,319
believe that um that our science is way

1272
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:24,160
ahead of what we see

1273
00:45:27,829 --> 00:45:25,680
with there is it's a known fact that we

1274
00:45:29,829 --> 00:45:27,839
have that we have a massive black budget

1275
00:45:31,589 --> 00:45:29,839
that is uh beyond the the oversight of

1276
00:45:33,109 --> 00:45:31,599
congress uh there's things that are

1277
00:45:34,069 --> 00:45:33,119
going on um

1278
00:45:38,230 --> 00:45:34,079
you know

1279
00:45:41,349 --> 00:45:38,240
are obviously the the u.s navy has uh uh

1280
00:45:43,829 --> 00:45:41,359
pilots and and seamen have

1281
00:45:45,190 --> 00:45:43,839
have um experienced things

1282
00:45:47,270 --> 00:45:45,200
that's what got a lot of this stirred up

1283
00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:47,280
and of course the new york times and and

1284
00:45:50,950 --> 00:45:48,640
leslie keane and all those folks when

1285
00:45:52,710 --> 00:45:50,960
they when they broke the the atip story

1286
00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:52,720
which of course george knapp is all over

1287
00:45:57,829 --> 00:45:54,960
that and and to ask what i think it's

1288
00:46:00,150 --> 00:45:57,839
called and and all those other uh uh

1289
00:46:01,910 --> 00:46:00,160
tertiary programs oh yeah i mean i think

1290
00:46:03,430 --> 00:46:01,920
the government's very interested and

1291
00:46:05,109 --> 00:46:03,440
it's um

1292
00:46:06,550 --> 00:46:05,119
it's curious when you look at the the

1293
00:46:08,710 --> 00:46:06,560
papers and the things that were that

1294
00:46:10,309 --> 00:46:08,720
have been studied you know anti-gravity

1295
00:46:13,030 --> 00:46:10,319
portal technology

1296
00:46:14,550 --> 00:46:13,040
um all those kinds of things

1297
00:46:16,309 --> 00:46:14,560
they're interested in

1298
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:16,319
and uh what have they found out what do

1299
00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:18,720
they know i mean i would love

1300
00:46:23,270 --> 00:46:21,680
to know because i think it's like

1301
00:46:24,630 --> 00:46:23,280
i think the rabbit hole you know it's

1302
00:46:26,630 --> 00:46:24,640
like alice in wonderland i think you

1303
00:46:28,309 --> 00:46:26,640
think you go down that rabbit hole

1304
00:46:29,829 --> 00:46:28,319
you know you uh are you gonna take the

1305
00:46:31,510 --> 00:46:29,839
blue pill or the red pill which one you

1306
00:46:32,790 --> 00:46:31,520
want to take and uh

1307
00:46:34,069 --> 00:46:32,800
you know i'm all about taking the red

1308
00:46:36,390 --> 00:46:34,079
pill and just going down the rabbit hole

1309
00:46:39,349 --> 00:46:36,400
and finding out what's going on

1310
00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:39,359
yes absolutely it is uh there's a lot

1311
00:46:44,150 --> 00:46:41,280
there's a lot to be gleaned and learned

1312
00:46:46,470 --> 00:46:44,160
from from this and you know george knapp

1313
00:46:48,870 --> 00:46:46,480
i agree deserves a lot of recognition

1314
00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:48,880
and i think it's also important to

1315
00:46:55,589 --> 00:46:52,640
recognize colin kelleher and bob bigelow

1316
00:46:58,710 --> 00:46:55,599
who um you know in private conversations

1317
00:47:00,950 --> 00:46:58,720
with uh comb he has

1318
00:47:03,910 --> 00:47:00,960
mentioned uh

1319
00:47:05,190 --> 00:47:03,920
things that he has called poltergeist

1320
00:47:08,150 --> 00:47:05,200
activity

1321
00:47:10,630 --> 00:47:08,160
uh in his words um bring being brought

1322
00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:10,640
back home by investigators

1323
00:47:16,950 --> 00:47:14,880
this sounds very demonic and um

1324
00:47:18,390 --> 00:47:16,960
it is you know i think robert bigelow

1325
00:47:20,309 --> 00:47:18,400
again

1326
00:47:21,589 --> 00:47:20,319
he has had a long interest in the

1327
00:47:22,630 --> 00:47:21,599
paranormal

1328
00:47:25,430 --> 00:47:22,640
and

1329
00:47:28,309 --> 00:47:25,440
he's probably spent more money

1330
00:47:30,950 --> 00:47:28,319
than um a lot of the newer generations

1331
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:30,960
have made off of the paranormal

1332
00:47:34,150 --> 00:47:32,640
and

1333
00:47:35,910 --> 00:47:34,160
that that

1334
00:47:39,030 --> 00:47:35,920
that conversation

1335
00:47:40,630 --> 00:47:39,040
the poltergeist activity conversation

1336
00:47:42,309 --> 00:47:40,640
being brought home

1337
00:47:44,710 --> 00:47:42,319
with investigators something i believe

1338
00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:44,720
they call the hitchhiker effect

1339
00:47:51,030 --> 00:47:47,920
it's very poltergeist-like very demonic

1340
00:47:53,430 --> 00:47:51,040
and it seems as if

1341
00:47:55,829 --> 00:47:53,440
these programs are starting to realize

1342
00:47:57,109 --> 00:47:55,839
that there's more to this and i think

1343
00:48:00,390 --> 00:47:57,119
your books

1344
00:48:02,549 --> 00:48:00,400
go deeply into this um you know being a

1345
00:48:04,390 --> 00:48:02,559
christian yeah can can you tell us a

1346
00:48:05,190 --> 00:48:04,400
little bit about

1347
00:48:07,430 --> 00:48:05,200
how

1348
00:48:11,910 --> 00:48:07,440
your career has helped you

1349
00:48:16,630 --> 00:48:14,390
well you know once again um i when it

1350
00:48:18,069 --> 00:48:16,640
comes to the paranormal i

1351
00:48:20,549 --> 00:48:18,079
look for

1352
00:48:22,309 --> 00:48:20,559
you know the normal i mean paranormal is

1353
00:48:23,270 --> 00:48:22,319
becoming the new normal but

1354
00:48:26,150 --> 00:48:23,280
um

1355
00:48:27,829 --> 00:48:26,160
you know supernatural means uh you know

1356
00:48:30,309 --> 00:48:27,839
unexplained

1357
00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:30,319
and um the more we learn

1358
00:48:34,710 --> 00:48:33,119
the more we can explain things but

1359
00:48:39,109 --> 00:48:34,720
you know

1360
00:48:40,069 --> 00:48:39,119
know you hear uh

1361
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:40,079
uh

1362
00:48:45,510 --> 00:48:43,680
it could be wind blowing you know the

1363
00:48:46,470 --> 00:48:45,520
old houses creek

1364
00:48:49,270 --> 00:48:46,480
um

1365
00:48:51,190 --> 00:48:49,280
you know water drips uh trees make

1366
00:48:52,790 --> 00:48:51,200
shadows in the wind most paranormal

1367
00:48:53,750 --> 00:48:52,800
things are explainable you know and that

1368
00:48:56,230 --> 00:48:53,760
certainly

1369
00:48:57,510 --> 00:48:56,240
um goes into the ufo experience as well

1370
00:48:58,230 --> 00:48:57,520
so that's the first thing i would look

1371
00:49:00,870 --> 00:48:58,240
for

1372
00:49:03,829 --> 00:49:00,880
that if it is something that is

1373
00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:03,839
um you know an actual

1374
00:49:08,950 --> 00:49:06,480
phenomenon that's uh you know appears to

1375
00:49:10,950 --> 00:49:08,960
be a tangible thing i would look for

1376
00:49:12,790 --> 00:49:10,960
something natural like weather you know

1377
00:49:15,270 --> 00:49:12,800
i hate to say it but the you know good

1378
00:49:17,349 --> 00:49:15,280
old swamp gas you know you know

1379
00:49:19,270 --> 00:49:17,359
maybe it's swamp gas

1380
00:49:22,150 --> 00:49:19,280
nobody wants to hear that but uh you

1381
00:49:23,109 --> 00:49:22,160
know venus uh venus if it looks uh you

1382
00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:23,119
know

1383
00:49:25,589 --> 00:49:24,000
uh

1384
00:49:26,710 --> 00:49:25,599
there's all kinds of things meteors

1385
00:49:28,710 --> 00:49:26,720
there's there's all kinds of

1386
00:49:30,710 --> 00:49:28,720
astronomical explanations and then i

1387
00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:30,720
said uh like i said before it you know

1388
00:49:33,829 --> 00:49:32,160
there's actual

1389
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:33,839
things that we know about that but you

1390
00:49:37,109 --> 00:49:35,040
might not know about but it's a

1391
00:49:38,309 --> 00:49:37,119
spacecraft or it's the uh the space

1392
00:49:41,349 --> 00:49:38,319
station different things that look

1393
00:49:43,589 --> 00:49:41,359
strange um but then that that's

1394
00:49:45,750 --> 00:49:43,599
explainable or maybe technology that we

1395
00:49:47,430 --> 00:49:45,760
don't even know about

1396
00:49:49,270 --> 00:49:47,440
you know if you saw a flying wing back

1397
00:49:51,670 --> 00:49:49,280
in kenneth arnold's time you would

1398
00:49:53,990 --> 00:49:51,680
certainly think that's the ufo and

1399
00:49:56,150 --> 00:49:54,000
my experience

1400
00:49:58,069 --> 00:49:56,160
with the air force and having seen the

1401
00:50:00,150 --> 00:49:58,079
b2 fly it really does look like

1402
00:50:01,829 --> 00:50:00,160
something alien it's it's very stealthy

1403
00:50:03,990 --> 00:50:01,839
very they call it the stealth bomber for

1404
00:50:05,589 --> 00:50:04,000
a reason it makes almost no noise until

1405
00:50:07,349 --> 00:50:05,599
it's right on top of you

1406
00:50:10,150 --> 00:50:07,359
it forms like a fingernail on the

1407
00:50:13,190 --> 00:50:10,160
horizon so you can barely see it um it

1408
00:50:15,430 --> 00:50:13,200
has this this strange shape and it can

1409
00:50:17,750 --> 00:50:15,440
literally bomb targets uh while it's not

1410
00:50:20,390 --> 00:50:17,760
even seen because it's it's so high in

1411
00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:20,400
in altitude at the time so

1412
00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:21,280
um

1413
00:50:24,790 --> 00:50:23,359
these things would seem extraterrestrial

1414
00:50:26,470 --> 00:50:24,800
and then

1415
00:50:28,309 --> 00:50:26,480
when you get into the spiritual side of

1416
00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:28,319
things that's what i really love about

1417
00:50:32,790 --> 00:50:30,480
what what uh what george knapp is is

1418
00:50:35,910 --> 00:50:32,800
doing with uh the skinwalkers at the

1419
00:50:38,230 --> 00:50:35,920
pentagon uh book is the fact that

1420
00:50:40,069 --> 00:50:38,240
finally it's coming together because

1421
00:50:41,910 --> 00:50:40,079
for for a long time and this is nothing

1422
00:50:43,750 --> 00:50:41,920
new this this um

1423
00:50:45,589 --> 00:50:43,760
this extra dimensional

1424
00:50:48,630 --> 00:50:45,599
uh viewpoint

1425
00:50:50,950 --> 00:50:48,640
it has been you know since uh you know

1426
00:50:54,069 --> 00:50:50,960
uh valet was talking about it you know

1427
00:50:56,309 --> 00:50:54,079
in the early 1970s and uh but but but

1428
00:50:58,309 --> 00:50:56,319
ufologists tended to you know divide

1429
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:58,319
can't divide into camps over this and

1430
00:51:01,910 --> 00:51:00,000
say well you're either

1431
00:51:04,150 --> 00:51:01,920
you're either um

1432
00:51:06,870 --> 00:51:04,160
you know extra biological entities

1433
00:51:09,510 --> 00:51:06,880
nothing both spacecraft believer or your

1434
00:51:12,950 --> 00:51:09,520
you know extra dimensional type believer

1435
00:51:14,470 --> 00:51:12,960
but no um we're studying these things

1436
00:51:16,230 --> 00:51:14,480
we're seeing things that are flying

1437
00:51:18,069 --> 00:51:16,240
around we're wondering what they are

1438
00:51:21,109 --> 00:51:18,079
they seem to be physical

1439
00:51:22,950 --> 00:51:21,119
um but despite our best efforts they're

1440
00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:22,960
having these paranormal like you said

1441
00:51:27,750 --> 00:51:25,440
poltergeist experiences

1442
00:51:29,670 --> 00:51:27,760
if listen if this was if this was

1443
00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:29,680
biological entities like us we're aliens

1444
00:51:34,069 --> 00:51:30,960
too i mean we've already stepped out

1445
00:51:36,069 --> 00:51:34,079
into other worlds you know i mean uh we

1446
00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:36,079
physically landed on another world you

1447
00:51:40,069 --> 00:51:38,160
know we think about the many times that

1448
00:51:43,109 --> 00:51:40,079
we've stepped on the moon but but we're

1449
00:51:45,109 --> 00:51:43,119
putting probes on on on on on asteroids

1450
00:51:47,430 --> 00:51:45,119
now you know we've we've revisited the

1451
00:51:49,349 --> 00:51:47,440
outer planets we've sent probes out of

1452
00:51:53,670 --> 00:51:49,359
our out of our solar system you know

1453
00:51:55,829 --> 00:51:53,680
we're the aliens now okay so um

1454
00:51:57,990 --> 00:51:55,839
but how do you explain these paranormal

1455
00:51:59,750 --> 00:51:58,000
experiences if these are beings like us

1456
00:52:01,750 --> 00:51:59,760
even if they are

1457
00:52:03,430 --> 00:52:01,760
advanced by millions of years as many

1458
00:52:04,630 --> 00:52:03,440
people believe

1459
00:52:07,270 --> 00:52:04,640
why would there be paranormal

1460
00:52:08,549 --> 00:52:07,280
experiences associated with these things

1461
00:52:09,829 --> 00:52:08,559
you know and again when you get to this

1462
00:52:11,430 --> 00:52:09,839
especially when you start talking about

1463
00:52:12,790 --> 00:52:11,440
the contactees

1464
00:52:13,589 --> 00:52:12,800
why you know

1465
00:52:18,309 --> 00:52:13,599
uh

1466
00:52:20,549 --> 00:52:18,319
early days we're hearing stories of

1467
00:52:23,109 --> 00:52:20,559
beings from venus and and from what

1468
00:52:24,630 --> 00:52:23,119
jupiter you know the planets and now we

1469
00:52:27,349 --> 00:52:24,640
know as our science grew we learned that

1470
00:52:29,670 --> 00:52:27,359
well these planets are not inhabited so

1471
00:52:32,069 --> 00:52:29,680
the stories go out into the galaxy and

1472
00:52:33,670 --> 00:52:32,079
now they're out into other galaxies so

1473
00:52:35,750 --> 00:52:33,680
these beings seem to be changing their

1474
00:52:37,270 --> 00:52:35,760
stories over time

1475
00:52:39,349 --> 00:52:37,280
because i don't want to say that all

1476
00:52:40,630 --> 00:52:39,359
these conti contactees over the years i

1477
00:52:42,790 --> 00:52:40,640
don't want to call them liars that would

1478
00:52:44,870 --> 00:52:42,800
be very disrespectful i mean

1479
00:52:46,470 --> 00:52:44,880
there are obviously hoaxers in this in

1480
00:52:49,349 --> 00:52:46,480
this uh community

1481
00:52:51,430 --> 00:52:49,359
um that we've always had but there are

1482
00:52:53,190 --> 00:52:51,440
people that are truly suffering

1483
00:52:55,589 --> 00:52:53,200
uh from experiences

1484
00:52:57,109 --> 00:52:55,599
that uh deserve our sympathy because

1485
00:52:58,390 --> 00:52:57,119
it's it's a very real thing that's

1486
00:52:59,430 --> 00:52:58,400
happening to them

1487
00:53:01,430 --> 00:52:59,440
but

1488
00:53:03,510 --> 00:53:01,440
i mean come on if you're if you're

1489
00:53:06,549 --> 00:53:03,520
taking aboard a spacecraft

1490
00:53:08,630 --> 00:53:06,559
um and you go visit another planet

1491
00:53:09,430 --> 00:53:08,640
we're not going to see you again because

1492
00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:09,440
uh

1493
00:53:12,390 --> 00:53:11,040
we can't get around einstein we can't

1494
00:53:14,790 --> 00:53:12,400
get around we can't get around the laws

1495
00:53:16,950 --> 00:53:14,800
of physics you know if you travel i mean

1496
00:53:20,069 --> 00:53:16,960
you know you you space and time are

1497
00:53:23,910 --> 00:53:20,079
interwoven you can't go visit these

1498
00:53:25,270 --> 00:53:23,920
these reaches without long spans of time

1499
00:53:27,430 --> 00:53:25,280
you can't just go to these planets and

1500
00:53:28,870 --> 00:53:27,440
get the positive back and then if you

1501
00:53:31,349 --> 00:53:28,880
are then why are you neatly tucked into

1502
00:53:32,630 --> 00:53:31,359
your bed you know especially if you were

1503
00:53:35,030 --> 00:53:32,640
subject to some of these horrible

1504
00:53:35,910 --> 00:53:35,040
horrible things that people experience

1505
00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:35,920
so

1506
00:53:40,390 --> 00:53:37,920
no i'm very encouraged by the fact that

1507
00:53:42,150 --> 00:53:40,400
this paranormal part of it is being

1508
00:53:43,829 --> 00:53:42,160
acknowledged the researchers are looking

1509
00:53:46,069 --> 00:53:43,839
at it and they're saying yeah this is

1510
00:53:47,829 --> 00:53:46,079
this is part of it this is this is and

1511
00:53:50,470 --> 00:53:47,839
so you can't science

1512
00:53:52,309 --> 00:53:50,480
you can't uh you can't cut that out of

1513
00:53:54,069 --> 00:53:52,319
the story it's part of the story so we

1514
00:53:57,109 --> 00:53:54,079
have to look at where the evidence leads

1515
00:53:58,790 --> 00:53:57,119
and guess what maybe just maybe that

1516
00:54:00,630 --> 00:53:58,800
evidence is going to lead us

1517
00:54:03,030 --> 00:54:00,640
all the way from our science all the way

1518
00:54:05,589 --> 00:54:03,040
back around to our anecdotal traditions

1519
00:54:07,990 --> 00:54:05,599
to the shamanic traditions to the faith

1520
00:54:11,670 --> 00:54:08,000
uh revealed to us in the bible and to

1521
00:54:14,069 --> 00:54:11,680
what we knew all along yeah man it is

1522
00:54:16,150 --> 00:54:14,079
amazing how you have delved into this

1523
00:54:18,710 --> 00:54:16,160
mystical exploration of the paranormal

1524
00:54:21,270 --> 00:54:18,720
phenomena through the lens of the bible

1525
00:54:24,549 --> 00:54:21,280
i i really appreciate that

1526
00:54:26,710 --> 00:54:24,559
and um in your words uh i i love this

1527
00:54:29,270 --> 00:54:26,720
this line if you believe in the bible

1528
00:54:32,309 --> 00:54:29,280
you already have faith in the unseen the

1529
00:54:33,829 --> 00:54:32,319
supernatural worldview of our ancestors

1530
00:54:36,710 --> 00:54:33,839
and you know

1531
00:54:38,950 --> 00:54:36,720
at times i i wish i had a time machine

1532
00:54:40,950 --> 00:54:38,960
or a way to like jump space time or

1533
00:54:43,670 --> 00:54:40,960
something like that i've kind of

1534
00:54:46,069 --> 00:54:43,680
crystallized myself in a small little

1535
00:54:48,230 --> 00:54:46,079
area doing some research and you know

1536
00:54:49,349 --> 00:54:48,240
there's times like this morning i had to

1537
00:54:51,190 --> 00:54:49,359
overnight

1538
00:54:54,150 --> 00:54:51,200
a small research tool that they needed

1539
00:54:56,230 --> 00:54:54,160
like yesterday and um

1540
00:54:59,910 --> 00:54:56,240
we're really up against

1541
00:55:01,829 --> 00:54:59,920
amazing amazing curious mysteries

1542
00:55:03,030 --> 00:55:01,839
and i think that you are on the cutting

1543
00:55:05,430 --> 00:55:03,040
edge of this

1544
00:55:07,589 --> 00:55:05,440
you've answered many of my questions i

1545
00:55:09,190 --> 00:55:07,599
hope listeners have gathered a lot and

1546
00:55:11,030 --> 00:55:09,200
you have you've had a long and

1547
00:55:12,309 --> 00:55:11,040
impressive career with the united states

1548
00:55:13,349 --> 00:55:12,319
government and i thank you for your

1549
00:55:16,710 --> 00:55:13,359
service

1550
00:55:19,510 --> 00:55:16,720
your unique world view is extremely 100

1551
00:55:22,630 --> 00:55:19,520
on point on many subjects and let's go

1552
00:55:24,630 --> 00:55:22,640
in yeah absolutely it's well deserved um

1553
00:55:26,950 --> 00:55:24,640
let's go into where listeners can get

1554
00:55:30,549 --> 00:55:26,960
help with demonic issues read your books

1555
00:55:32,309 --> 00:55:30,559
and support your magnificent work

1556
00:55:34,870 --> 00:55:32,319
well ryan thank you for for those kind

1557
00:55:37,589 --> 00:55:34,880
words i i really appreciate it and you

1558
00:55:39,109 --> 00:55:37,599
know again um uh our our you know if you

1559
00:55:40,950 --> 00:55:39,119
look at our christian creeds it's it's

1560
00:55:44,549 --> 00:55:40,960
right there you know i believe in god

1561
00:55:46,950 --> 00:55:44,559
the maker of heaven and earth uh and all

1562
00:55:49,430 --> 00:55:46,960
things visible and invisible right there

1563
00:55:51,510 --> 00:55:49,440
from our from our ancient creeds you see

1564
00:55:53,270 --> 00:55:51,520
and invisible wait a minute what did

1565
00:55:54,870 --> 00:55:53,280
they put in there you know see there's

1566
00:55:56,789 --> 00:55:54,880
there's more to it than meets the eye

1567
00:55:58,870 --> 00:55:56,799
and uh and yeah so i just want to be

1568
00:56:02,870 --> 00:55:58,880
able to bridge that gap you know to

1569
00:56:03,829 --> 00:56:02,880
bring all people into the fold um and

1570
00:56:05,990 --> 00:56:03,839
you know

1571
00:56:08,230 --> 00:56:06,000
help people understand that that

1572
00:56:11,270 --> 00:56:08,240
there are answers to these things

1573
00:56:13,670 --> 00:56:11,280
so again my website richard d lewis

1574
00:56:15,910 --> 00:56:13,680
author dot com that's richard d lewis

1575
00:56:18,150 --> 00:56:15,920
author dot com my book series is called

1576
00:56:19,670 --> 00:56:18,160
the paranormal christian uh book one and

1577
00:56:22,870 --> 00:56:19,680
book two are both available on my

1578
00:56:25,270 --> 00:56:22,880
website as well as amazon and uh barnes

1579
00:56:26,630 --> 00:56:25,280
noble all the other book sellers you can

1580
00:56:29,750 --> 00:56:26,640
find you can find my books there but

1581
00:56:32,710 --> 00:56:29,760
richard d lewis dot com you can find out

1582
00:56:35,109 --> 00:56:32,720
all things about um you know you can you

1583
00:56:36,150 --> 00:56:35,119
can experience my deliverance from

1584
00:56:37,990 --> 00:56:36,160
demons

1585
00:56:39,990 --> 00:56:38,000
video series you can sign up for that if

1586
00:56:41,829 --> 00:56:40,000
you join my my my um

1587
00:56:45,510 --> 00:56:41,839
if you see you know if you if you sign

1588
00:56:47,030 --> 00:56:45,520
up for the web for my website and um

1589
00:56:48,950 --> 00:56:47,040
everything's free you know all the

1590
00:56:51,829 --> 00:56:48,960
resources uh past podcasts that have

1591
00:56:53,349 --> 00:56:51,839
been recorded are there uh plus all of

1592
00:56:55,990 --> 00:56:53,359
the things that i do with news current

1593
00:56:57,430 --> 00:56:56,000
events uh film reviews

1594
00:56:59,750 --> 00:56:57,440
all kinds of goodness you can find there

1595
00:57:01,430 --> 00:56:59,760
at my website richard lewis

1596
00:57:03,109 --> 00:57:01,440
author dot com

1597
00:57:04,630 --> 00:57:03,119
thank you richard i really appreciate

1598
00:57:07,750 --> 00:57:04,640
you coming on the podcast you're a

1599
00:57:09,430 --> 00:57:07,760
master at your craft and uh yeah amen

1600
00:57:11,349 --> 00:57:09,440
man i'm glad that you're you're doing it

1601
00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:11,359
the way you're doing it

1602
00:57:15,270 --> 00:57:13,440
well thank you for what you do ryan uh

1603
00:57:16,710 --> 00:57:15,280
hero paranormal you're my hero but i

1604
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:16,720
really appreciate you

1605
00:57:21,430 --> 00:57:19,200
man oh man do i appreciate richard d

1606
00:57:25,510 --> 00:57:21,440
lewis coming on

1607
00:57:26,950 --> 00:57:25,520
discussing his amazing career um he is

1608
00:57:29,990 --> 00:57:26,960
the creator of the award-winning

1609
00:57:33,030 --> 00:57:30,000
pentagon channel tv new news magazine

1610
00:57:35,829 --> 00:57:33,040
air force space today he's won multiple

1611
00:57:38,549 --> 00:57:35,839
telly and thomas jefferson awards

1612
00:57:41,270 --> 00:57:38,559
what an investigator researching from an

1613
00:57:42,150 --> 00:57:41,280
angle that others are scared to research

1614
00:57:44,789 --> 00:57:42,160
from

1615
00:57:46,950 --> 00:57:44,799
it's uh it's pretty amazing that you

1616
00:57:48,230 --> 00:57:46,960
know his stories his look at this

1617
00:57:49,750 --> 00:57:48,240
subject

1618
00:57:51,750 --> 00:57:49,760
and the

1619
00:57:54,710 --> 00:57:51,760
the tools that he's offering through his

1620
00:57:56,870 --> 00:57:54,720
website definitely something

1621
00:58:00,230 --> 00:57:56,880
all listeners should take a look at

1622
00:58:01,910 --> 00:58:00,240
great books on the subject matter

1623
00:58:05,349 --> 00:58:01,920
it's interesting the entertainment

1624
00:58:07,670 --> 00:58:05,359
industry has produced huge huge numbers

1625
00:58:11,270 --> 00:58:07,680
of television shows

1626
00:58:13,030 --> 00:58:11,280
movies that involve ufos aliens

1627
00:58:15,750 --> 00:58:13,040
and there has been

1628
00:58:18,230 --> 00:58:15,760
a lot of money made in this arena

1629
00:58:20,549 --> 00:58:18,240
yet many have their goal

1630
00:58:23,270 --> 00:58:20,559
to help and richard is one of those he

1631
00:58:25,270 --> 00:58:23,280
is the creator of an amazing website an

1632
00:58:26,390 --> 00:58:25,280
amazing book series

1633
00:58:29,750 --> 00:58:26,400
and

1634
00:58:30,950 --> 00:58:29,760
he's a legitimate helper of humanity

1635
00:58:33,510 --> 00:58:30,960
clearly

1636
00:58:35,109 --> 00:58:33,520
he is pointing at a little bit something

1637
00:58:37,510 --> 00:58:35,119
different when it comes to the ufo

1638
00:58:40,390 --> 00:58:37,520
phenomena something that i think is very

1639
00:58:41,190 --> 00:58:40,400
important the way that he views it

1640
00:58:42,710 --> 00:58:41,200
and

1641
00:58:45,589 --> 00:58:42,720
one thing is obvious

1642
00:58:47,910 --> 00:58:45,599
ufo phenomena is quite complex for a

1643
00:58:50,470 --> 00:58:47,920
variety of reasons there's no one

1644
00:58:53,829 --> 00:58:50,480
explanation that can even

1645
00:58:54,789 --> 00:58:53,839
vaguely attempt to explain what's going

1646
00:58:56,069 --> 00:58:54,799
on

1647
00:58:58,150 --> 00:58:56,079
it is

1648
00:59:00,549 --> 00:58:58,160
a lot of perception

1649
00:59:03,030 --> 00:59:00,559
alien contact and abductions are a very

1650
00:59:05,190 --> 00:59:03,040
dark and real

1651
00:59:07,190 --> 00:59:05,200
thing and this has permeated our

1652
00:59:09,190 --> 00:59:07,200
mainstream reality

1653
00:59:11,990 --> 00:59:09,200
through various sources

1654
00:59:14,950 --> 00:59:12,000
and i'm finding that the lives of people

1655
00:59:17,510 --> 00:59:14,960
that have been affected by this

1656
00:59:18,630 --> 00:59:17,520
they quite literally have been

1657
00:59:20,630 --> 00:59:18,640
broken

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and it's important to realize that

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beyond fear the anguish the pain

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you know we do live in a world that is

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uh fairly broken it's a broken world we

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have wars we have poverty we have hunger

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we have abuse of various sorts and

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there is

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think that richard's books and his work

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shine brightly and offer this light to

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people so they can have the ability to

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manipulate this energy to their benefit

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please check out his website richard d

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lewis author dot com check out his books

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his free tools

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to uh

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help those in need

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man

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so excited that i got to talk to him and

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so excited where the conversation went

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until next time keep your eyes to the

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skies feet on the ground but don't

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[Music]

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blast off blast off

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glassed off